Open Carry

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Do law-abiding North Carolina residents have a right to carry a gun openly in public? Generally, yes.

Federal constitutional right? The Supreme Court has recently ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to bear arms, including handguns, District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), and that it protects that right from infringement by state and local governments as well as the federal government, McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010). Heller makes clear that the Second Amendment encompasses the right to have a gun in one’s home, but whether the Amendment also guarantees a right to carry a gun in public, and if so, whether it guarantees a right to carry a gun openly as opposed to concealed, is a matter of debate. As a judge of the Seventh Circuit recently observed, “[t]he Supreme Court has not yet decided whether the post- Heller individual right to keep and bear arms at home under the Second Amendment extends beyond the home.” Moore v. Madigan, __ F.3d __, 2013 WL 656749 (7th Cir. Feb. 22, 2013) (Hamilton, J.). See also James Bishop, Note, Hidden or on the Hip: The Right(s) to Carry after Heller, 97 Cornell L. Rev. 907 (2012) (discussing the widely varying approaches of the states to this issue). I won’t speculate here about how the Supreme Court might, or should, rule when presented with the issue.

State constitutional right. There’s no need for such speculation, because the Supreme Court of North Carolina has already ruled on open carry under the state constitution. State v. Kerner, 181 N.C. 574 (1921). The defendant in Kerner got in a confrontation with another man. The defendant went to his workplace, grabbed his gun, and came back to the fight. He was charged with, among other things, “carrying a pistol off his premises unconcealed,” which violated a local act applicable to Forsyth County and was a misdemeanor. The trial judge dismissed the charge as unconstitutional. The state appealed, and the supreme court affirmed.

In keeping with prevailing federal constitutional doctrine at the time, the court first stated that the Second Amendment didn’t apply because “the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution are restrictions upon the federal authority and not upon the states.” Therefore it focused on the state constitution, which mimicked the Second Amendment, providing in Article I, Section 24 that: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” (The quoted language now appears, after the constitutional overhaul of 1971, in Article I, Section 30 of the North Carolina Constitution.)

The court clearly viewed the provision as protecting the right to carry arms in public, condemning the Forsyth County local act as “especially objectionable” because it limited a person’s right “to carry a pistol off his own premises, even openly, and for a lawful purpose.” Indeed, the court found that the people have a “sacred right  . . . to bear arms and [be] ready to use them for the protection of their liberties or their country when occasion serves.” It also specifically ruled that the state constitution protects right to carry pistols, as “[t]he historical use of pistols as ‘arms’ of offense and defense is beyond controversy.”

State laws relevant to open carry. Kerner does not preclude all regulations regarding the carrying of firearms. The court noted several types of regulations that would be consistent with the state constitution, such as:

  • Prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons. (In fact, the state’s authority to do so is expressly mentioned in Article I, Section 30.)
  • “[P]rohibit[ing] the carrying of deadly weapons when under the influence of intoxicating drink, or to a church, polling place, or public assembly, or in a manner calculated to inspire terror.”
  • “[R]equir[ing] that a pistol shall not be under a certain length, which if reasonable will prevent the use of pistols of small size which are not borne as arms but which are easily and ordinarily carried concealed.”

We now have on the books a number of state laws that limit the scope of the right to open carry, such as the ban on guns on school grounds, G.S. 14-269.2, the ban on guns in “any assembly where a fee has been charged for admission . . . or into any establishment in which alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed,” G.S. 14-269.3, the ban on guns in courthouses and certain state buildings, G.S. 14-269.4, and the ban on guns at parades and demonstrations, G.S. 14-277.2. Obviously, those statutes don’t neatly track the regulations that Kerner said were permissible. Therefore, while some of the state’s gun laws have been upheld over constitutional challenges, see, e.g., State v. Sullivan, 202 N.C. App 553 (2010) (upholding ban on guns in courthouses); State v. Fennell, 95 N.C. App. 140 (1989) (upholding ban on sawed-off shotguns), it’s possible that other existing regulations could be challenged on constitutional grounds. Still, they illustrate the general idea that the right to open carry is not unlimited.

One issue that comes up in connection with open carry is the common law offense North Carolina of going armed to the terror of the people. (Jessie Smith discusses the elements of the crime here.) As relevant to open carry, the law prohibits a person from carrying a gun for the purpose of terrorizing others and in a manner that is likely to cause terror. Generally, a person doesn’t commit this offense by carrying a weapon in a non-threatening and orderly manner, such as going about one’s daily business with a handgun in a hip holster.

Local regulations regarding open carry. In addition to state law, local governments also have some authority to limit open carry rights. However, local government authority is limited by the pre-emption statutes that, with some exceptions, make gun regulation a matter of state rather than local concern. (I previously discussed those statutes here.)

An example of a regulation that is within the power of local government is the power to prohibit open carry in “public‑owned buildings, on the grounds or parking areas of those buildings, or in public parks or recreation areas.” G.S. 14-409.40(f). (Concealed carry in some of those areas may be permissible, but that’s a subject for another day.)

However, it appears that local governments do not have the authority to ban open carry completely, even on public property such as streets and sidewalks. One could argue that such authority exists under two statutes, both of which are recognized as exceptions to the statewide pre-emption laws:

  • G.S. 160A-189, which allows cities to “by ordinance regulate, restrict, or prohibit the discharge of firearms at any time or place within the city except when used in defense of person or property or pursuant to lawful directions of law‑enforcement officers, and [to] regulate the display of firearms on the streets, sidewalks, alleys, or other public property.”
  • G.S. 153A-129, which allows counties to “by ordinance regulate, restrict, or prohibit the discharge of firearms . . . except when used to take birds or animals . . . when used in defense of person or property, or when used pursuant to lawful directions of law‑enforcement officers. A county may also regulate the display of firearms on the public roads, sidewalks, alleys, or other public property.”

But reading the power to “regulate the display of firearms” to allow local governments to ban open carry in public is probably wrong for two reasons. First, it would be unconstitutional under Kerner. As the court noted, “[t]o exclude all pistols, however, is not a regulation, but a prohibition, of arms which come under the designation of ‘arms’ which the people are entitled to bear.” Second, such a reading ignores the fact that both statutes allow local governments to “regulate . . . or prohibit” the discharge of firearms, but only to “regulate” the display of firearms. The lack of parallelism appears to be intentional. Therefore, although the precise extent of local government authority isn’t clear, and a variety of local regulations might be permissible, a complete ban on public open carry does not appear to be.

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43 comments on “Open Carry

  1. Hmm, it would seem “display” is at issue, as in there are to be no open air firearms purveyors, or does it mean to actually carry openly? The prohibitions against non firearms are more interesting, things such as “weighted canes”. Which are openly carried, yet still banned.

  2. HURRAY HURRAY HURRAY for the little grocery store owner in Cherokee County South Carolina for allowing his employees to OPEN CARRY a firearm at work. He says he has not had a robbery since starting this while others around his area have, of which one was robbed by 4 men who had just been in his store before the robbery and left after they noticed all his employees were carrying guns. REPRORTED on CHANNEL 7 NEWS CHARLOTTE NC WSPA 5/15/2013.

    Plus they are trying to pass new legislation to easy gun control by allowing OPEN CARRY on school grounds, restaurants, bars, work place parking lots even if an employer says no and big fines if they fire that employee or take any other action if the employee does. Even the Sheriff says that crime has gone down in the area because more people are wearing guns and have guns and he thinks it is a good thing, he is much in approval The representative that is sponsoring the bill says it about preserving the rights of the workers 2nd Amendments over the land owners rights ….WAY TO GO SC

    SO Now every one should run out and call or write their Senators
    Congressman and Representative Mayor Police Chief and Sheriff and most of all the NRA MAKE SOME NOISE and tell them that we want and need changes and do away with the CAUSING TERROR OF THE CITIZENS wording also.

    EVERY ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO CARRY ARMS the 2ND ADMENDMENT SAYS SO. “WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS” our constitution was founded by the PEOPLE for the PEOPLE LET THE PEOPLE SPEAK. If we allow any more involvement of LAWENFORCEMENT AND OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS to try and remove or change our rights how soon will it take before another HITLER or some other dictator comes along and we end up not having any rights at all. COME ON AMERICA WAKEUP AND STAND UP

  3. OPPS OPPS Made a mistake, it was on FOXNEWS Channel 21 Here in Hendersonville NC over Direct TV from Greenville SC NOT WSPA

  4. I am so confused. The lack of description in the law is what gets me. What about open carry in a car? I know it has to be visible but what if you are with a passenger? You have to supposedly have “3 or more” motions to access the firearm, so what exactly does that mean when Open Carrying in a vehicle?

    • Also, going back to the passenger/driver. What is the person Openly Carrying supposed to do? How does this come into play with the passenger/driver in the car? Thanks.

  5. Now with the HR 937 on the governors desk to be signed more freedoms for carrying under ccw is upon us, but we still need more LEO training as most still do not know its legal to open carry in all the places the HR 937 grant.

  6. It always surprises me how complicated firearms laws are in other States, that people think it is acceptable to have multiple classes of citizens, & the irrational fear of alcohol.

    If someone can not be trusted to have access to a firearm around alcohol, they should not be allowed access to a car.

  7. Can some one tell me, can you carry a pistol openly or do you need a concealed carry permit? I’m confused as everyone else is..

    • You can carry a pistol in a holster and do not need a CCP unless you want to hide the gun under clothes. Open carry means just that…you can openly carry a gun in NC. People who do not feel confortable open carrying often get a CCP so they can carry without anyone permit needed for open carry. Of course cops will harrass you and try to discourage you exercising your rights, but they have no legal reason to do so. Cops often will stop an open carrier and demand ID, which is illegal for them to do, and use the excuse that they ” don’t know ” if you are a felon, etc..but unless they have articulable reason to believe you are a felon, that excuse is are under no legal obligation to dispel cops suspicions on hunches. Always as the cop if you are being detained..if they say no then leave and refuse to allow them to engage you..if they say yes, then simply state that you have nothing to say without advice of counsel..force the cop to either back down or risk a lawsuit.

      • I’ve been a cop for 11years and never even thought about stopping someone from open carry. Do I think its a bad idea to open carry..yes. Because the bad guys can single you out and take you out when you’re not expecting it. You can’t be on guard 24/7 any more than police can. I conceal carry almost everytime I leave my house. I like that no one knows and I think more people should conceal carry. It makes the bad wonder who has a gun. I have not and never will tell anyone they can’t open carry and I would love to see more people get conceal carry permits. So not all of us harass or detain people who are carrying open. For me..I don’t care weather you talk or not. I’ll just take it you have your head up a certain part of your anatomy or you’re having a bad day. In your case I figure its the first part.

      • Please, Some resect The use of the title of cops is wrong. I’ve open carried for years,And have NEVER been harassed. And have been told that they( police officers).prefer open carry .It not only discourages crime it instills politeness too. If I where to conceal carry it may appear that I was unarmed, And may do something they would other wise forget. So carry so everyone can see.Be civil and responsible,And you wont have any trouble.

    • yes you can open carry in n.c., but you must know whether the location is permissible to open carry.

    • You can but not to a place where they sell AND consume alcohol, where signs are posted, federal or state buildings, national parks. You cannot carry at parades and funerals or riots. And to not open bring fear to public

      • I have not double checked, but I’m fairly sure you can open carry in national parks.

  8. How old do you have to be to open carry in NC??

    • You have to be 21 to legally own a handgun, so you couldn’t legally open carry under 21.

      • *BUZZT* WRONG! You can OC at 18. You cannot purchase a handgun from an FFL until your are 21, however, at 18 you can get a pistol purchase permit from your local sheriff, and buy a handgun privately.
        Furthermore, you have to be 21 to get a CCP.

  9. I agree with officer Greg I would never open carry for the reason that he mention, that the bad guys will have the upper hand on you. Get a CCP, its’ not that hard and doesn’t take that long (90 to 120 days in NC). You can make yourself, family and friends with you feel protected even if they don’t want to carry a hand gun. I love all my weapons and conceal carry one every day and will continued to do so until I take my last breath.

  10. My only gripe with the Carry Concealed is the amount of money involved. Pay, pay, pay! It’s not much more than a money maker for the State and Local agencies involved.

  11. The right to open carry a properly holstered handgun has been clearly established by the NC Supreme Court for decades,(Kerner v State) The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals established that open carry “is not”RAS/PC for a “Terry Stop”.(US v BLACK).North Carolina is not a “stop and ID” state. Concealed Carry is a privilege that you purchase from your state by buying a permit to get the Government,s permission to exercise a “right”.

  12. I am under the impression that while you have to be 21 to BUY a handgun, you only have to be 18 to OWN one. There is a distinct difference between purchasing and owning. For example, if I gift my 18 year old son/daughter one of my guns, then technically, they would own it and thus could open carry it.

    Must be 21 to conceal carry in NC.

  13. I moved to NC from the UK with my American born wife and l am a permanent resident.I have military and Police experience and l own a handgun. I would prefer to carry concealed rather then open, but under NC law l will not be granted a ccw permit because l am not a US Citizen. NC is one of a few states left that have this restriction. By becoming a citizen, in 2 yrs time, will that make me a more responsible person to carry concealed. I am somewhat self-concious walking around with my gun on display, but l want the same rights as everyone else, to be able to protect myself and my family.

    • But you are not entitled to “…the same rights as everyone else …” because you are not a US citizen yet.
      You are a visitor here until you obtain your US citizenship which confers “… the same rights as everyone else …”.

  14. If I purchase a handgun for open carry, what is the legal length of the gun barrel or is there one?

    • I have not come across that in all the research l have done prior to obtaining my own handgun………… my answer is no, l think it would depend on the size of gun you can easily handle.

    • No size limit, but I would suggest a size that properly fits your hand, one that you are comfortable with. For instance, I wouldn’t suggest a .44 Mag for a woman, or man, with small hands.

    • Depends on where you carry. I believe Chapel Hill has a minimum size ordnance. As for the rest of the state, I do not believe there are size restrictions.

  15. I’m confused. Do I need anything more than a permit to own a gun to open carry? I know the closed carry laws stipulate a safety course and shooting time. Are there any such requirements for open carry?

    • You don’t need a permit to own a gun or to open carry. The permit is just to buy the handgun.

    • Tim, I would suggest to EVERYONE interested in owning a gun of any sort to seek training for such weapon systems. Minimal training should include weapons safety (to include weapon retention) and familiarization (usage, action, maximum range of projectiles, etc.). It’s like using the right tool for the right job. Without knowing your level of expertise, I would suggest these starting points, sir. But, currently there are NO REQUIREMENTS, by law, to open carry besides not being a felon and you cannot carry on federal property, not carrying when served alcohol, and things of this nature.

    • No permit needed to open carry. I would still suggest a safety course and shooting lessons to “familiarize” yourself with your weapon system even for open carry. The permit is instituted when you make your PURCHASE at a LEGAL gun shop/proprietor. Thus, the waiting period for background checks, etc.

  16. To: Mr. Jeff Welty

    I participated this past Saturday in Springfest, an arts & crafts festival in downtown Southern Pines NC and was surprised to see several men walking around open carrying. This is a family affair, lots of children are present. Our town often has street fairs, holiday parades, etc in the downtown area. In addition, the downtown merchants host First Friday evenings from 5-8pm for families with food and beer vendors. All of these events are free and open to the public. Many of us would like them to be hand-gun free. It’s my understanding that some limits may be placed on concealed and open carry via admission fees, etc. Is that true?

    • Making an event hand gun free is beyond foolish and asking for a whack job to show up knowing it’s a gun free zone….

      • Agreed. Advertising gun free would be ridiculous. Instead of shielding our children from firearms, they should be taught as responsible citizens to be comfortable and safe handling procedures.

      • Who delineates who is the “whack job?” My concern is this…..what’s to say the “average looking” person isn’t the one who is going to go nutso and start shooting up the place? And, moreover, does the carrier have the necessary weapons retention training to keep the whack job from getting to theirs? I always cringe when I observe carriers turn their backs to others without taking the necessary precautions to protect their weapon from being snatched by a passer-by, which could be the whack job.

  17. If I want to keep a small 22 loaded in the car without A ccp can it be done? When a LEO stops me, what then? (I would inform him- then what?) I wouldn’t use it except to save me or someone else from extinction.. It appears to me that concealed carry only establishes me before a court as an “expert” before a jury of those who probably shouldn’t vote.Darren Wilson didn’t do well and he appears to be a model policeman.

    • I have obtained my SC CWP and one of my states to concealed carry is NC. my question is on open carry. Is this something I’m allowed to do? Open carry on my person through through the state of NC? Does anyone know about the law in Virginia too?

      • The laws don’t say you have to be a resident to open carry, so I assume you don’t have to be. I think VA is similar for the most part. Just make a note of off-limits places (athletic arenas, schools etc.)

      • I am a retired Virginia police officer. One can open carry in VA w/o a permit, but you MUST have a permit to carry concealed. Is the open carry safe? Is it prudent? I would say it depends upon your level of training/expertise, and just bare in mind that many business establishments in VA aren’t as tolerable as those in NC of those who wish to enter the business even in open carry situations. In fact, I would wager (if I were a betting man) that should you walk down the street with open carry in any city in VA that you’d PROBABLY be approached by a police officer very quickly which could lead to an embarrassing, and possibly dangerous, situation for you. That’s why I say that what is a norm for one state quite simply may not be normal for another, even neighboring state. Use your best judgment when traveling interstate and ALWAYS familiarize yourself with the state’s open and CC Laws. Knowing these will save you a LOT of grief.

    • As long as it is not concealed it is legal. Keep it in plain view or well out of arms reach.

    • I believe there was a bill being pushed through regaurding this, however at this time, you MUST have a permit to have it in a glove box, or such. If vehicle carrying WITHOUT permit, it must be in sight of Law Enforcement. Also, even with a permit, you still have to inform the officer. So, as long as it is kept in plain sight, yes. If you have it in a glove compartment, center console, and even in most instances, in your holster on your hip, you must have a carry permit. The bill being looked at would allow you to keep it in a briefcase,purse or glove compartment, without permit, if my memory serves correct. Just not on your person, without permit.

  18. Some people are comfortable with others open carrying while some are not. Personally I would say that concealed carry is better. As some stated before out of sight out of mind. Also of more people conceal carried as also stated the bad guys out there would be more hesitant for the fact that they don’t know who has what. Everyone of legal age has the right to bear arms, we as a people have a right to protect ourselves, homes and families. In some cases, each other :)

    • My only question is, does it really make them second guess? How many actually wonder whether someone conceal carries? While at first it sounds like it might be true, I go back to the out of sight out of mind on that. Personally, I don’t think who does or does not conceal carry when I am out and about. Honestly, the only time I ever think about carrying period, is when I see someone open carrying. Of course, I am not a criminal, either. So, that may very well be why.

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